Connecting with your expressive soul starts with stripping down to your deepest self
When I was just starting my business and was learning a new flavour of expressive soul – newbie entrepreneur – I was drawn to a course led by Tara Sophia Mohr called Playing Big. A small voice of doubt called to me, “Was I not playing big enough already? Do I really need to think about playing bigger?”
But it was the perfect place for a “big visioner” to be hanging out. Tara is committed to helping women find their voice in the world and bring their talents to meaningful projects. Her work resonates closely with mine – we’re both about helping women find an authentic, true voice for their talents.
With Tara it comes from a place of deep gratitude and love. She’s run a successful learning community focused on female leadership for years. And now she’s woven all the threads of her teaching and experience into a book, Playing Big.
This interview is from a couple of years ago when Tara was launching the course. Our conversation about stripping off the layers of “shoulds and coulds” resonates perfectly with uncovering your true expression.
You can listen to the interview here.
Read it here:
D: Today I’m talking with Tara Sophia Mohr, who’s an expert in women’s leadership and well-being, as well as the creator of “Ten Rules for Brilliant Women” and the creator of the Playing Big program. She has an MBA from Stanford University. She’s been on the Today show a couple of times, including once last week. She writes for the Huffington Post, has a fantastic blog and she writes poetry. And she’s so lovely that you can’t even be annoyed at how talented she is.
So I did the Playing Big course with Tara earlier this year and I found it really, really inspiring and I found it really, really packed with useful training skills about upping your game. About creating more visibility in the world to help you step into the calling that belongs to you.
So Tara I’d like to thank you very much for talking with me today.
T: Thank you. Thank you for having me here. It’s a pleasure. I adore you too so it’s really nice to be able to chat with you.
Poetry Gives Us What We’re Looking For
D: Now before we get started, I think your poetry doesn’t get enough play in your Playing Big.
T: I agree. I feel like I’m selling cookies at a bake sale everywhere I go They say: “Tell us about 10 Rules for Brilliant Women” and I’m saying “Would you like some poetry with that?”
D: Yes, because your poetry is so beautiful and it speaks so much to the Playing Big journey without specifically referencing the Playing Big journey. I love it.
T: I just blame it on the world. I think we don’t have enough poetry lovers in the world and people aren’t looking for poetry or integrating it into their lives for the most part. It can give us what we’re looking for in all the wrong places.
D: So very true. And because it’s not so mainstream we don’t have places to find poetry. The poetry we learned in high school were great poetry, but not really applicable to us where we are now.
T: And a lot of times I know that the poetry that I learned in school was very cerebral and the emphasis was on admiring the craft of the writer, or looking at the rhyme scheme. It wasn’t really what most people, if they’re going to turn to poetry in their adult lives, are going to turn to because it really touches our heart or lifts our spirit. And that’s what I love about poetry because we can do a lot of personal growth work on ourselves and we can try and be more peaceful and we can try to be more confident. But poetry actually connects us to peace. And poetry can help us remember that we’re everything that we need to be and then we can feel that confidence. So I think poetry is a way to experience so much of what we tend to seek through our personal growth work or our spiritual work. It brings it right to us. We don’t have to try to attain it.
We Are Part of the Whole
D: Yes, I know what you mean. So I’m going to read one passage that really resonated for me about the Playing Big journey and what was so meaningful to me about it.
So Tara writes:
For me that captured so much about where modern-day stress for women lies – in that gap between who we know ourselves to be and where we think that we should be.
T: Yes. I’m really glad that you picked out this passage because it is an important thing to me and I haven’t written about it a lot and it doesn’t get noticed a lot. But it’s really important. And what I was trying to write about and describe was the sense that when I’m really only in my surface level identity, in all of those things that I named there — that I’m Tara and I live in California and I write, I teach and I’m this tall and I weigh this much, I’m married, I’m an only child – all of those things that are really the identity of the personality – I’m never satisfied. There’s something inherent about our ego self that is just never satisfied. And if we’re identified with that ego then we are going to be really critical and hard on ourselves. We’ll always be striving for the next thing, thinking it’s going to change how we feel.
And the alternative is actually really thinking of ourselves in very unconventional ways. So for example, thinking of myself not so much in terms of “being Tara” but thinking of myself as one cell in the larger human body. And so what is my cell like and what is that cell like over there? Or thinking of myself as an essence of life that has lived for thousands of years through many different manifestations and I’m just living through the Tara one right now. And when I find that I can remember those other ways of conceiving of myself – oh my gosh, I can really relax from the stress that you’re talking about.
D: Yes, and your book of poetry is called “Your Other Names” and what I took from it was that you connect to those other names by the experiences that have come before you and live through you.
T: Exactly. That’s exactly it. It’s remembering that we have other names besides our given name and besides our ego identity. There’s other ways to think of who and what we are like those that I was just mentioning and that actually I believe – and some other people might say that while thinking of yourself as someone who has lived for 2,000 years and that I’m an essence of life is crazy – I would say, well actually, if you’re not tapping into your other names and thinking of yourself in a way that’s not based in your ego than you’ll not have psychological health. I think that actually in order to have some kind of sanity, in order to have some kind of psychological health we have to regularly tap into those more expansive, and more sacred ways of seeing ourselves. We need to really identify with our other names as well as our given names.
Getting to the Gold
D: When you understood that – because you wrote the poetry before you started the Playing Big program . . .
T: And a lot simultaneously. Two parallel paths in a way.
D: So when you had that profound understanding of who you really were in the whole of the world, how did that inform creating Playing Big?
T: Well, I think that part of the connection between what we’re talking about around our other names and Playing Big is that idea that, in our culture people think that playing big comes from working hard or striving to be bigger. It comes from puffing up our chest and putting on a great performance. It comes from succeeding in a very worldly sense that takes a kind of effort or performance. And I think that in many ways the opposite is true. That actually playing big, achieving great things, having remarkable success, having amazing, creative offerings that get produced through us and flow out into the world through us, leading with impact. Anything that we might define as playing big – that that is actually what happens naturally when we undo some of the blocks and limitations that life has put in us, and when we simply tap into our authentic desires.
I’m just writing a workshop description for something else and I called it relaxing into your playing big because I think when we really can let go and can really understand where our inner critic is and we can quiet the voice of our inner critic and we understand how to work with our fears, when we stop being so dependent on praise, or avoiding criticism. When we do those things and we kind of flush out those obstacles and toxins and then just tap into what wants to come out of me and have the courage to do it in an uncensored way, we will be playing big because what’s inside of us is grand and remarkable and it’s gold. It’s gold.
D: That’s so beautiful. It’s stripping off the layers, as you say, to get to the gold.
T: Yeah. And I love that a lot of time women come into Playing Big and they say: “Well, it wasn’t what I expected but now I learned what playing big can really look like in a sustainable, soulful way for me.” And yet it’s really about unearthing the wisest part of us — we’re unearthing that gold and we’re, brick by brick, removing some of the obstacles that have stood in the way of us sharing our voices soulfully in the world.
The Play in Playing Big
D: Because I must admit that when I first started doing Playing Big I knew I was drawn to it, but I was pretty nervous about what playing big would actually mean. And at first glance it seems like it might be a recipe for actually adding stress to your life because you’re awakening your inner critic. But there’s the whole not knowing how it’s going to look – what playing big is going to look like and so the stress comes from there. But what I noticed, as you say in the course, is that the opposite was actually true – that there was a big component of play in Playing Big.
T: Yeah, I’m so glad to hear that you felt that way because I think it really can be so playful and I think that when we think about what the real stress is – it’s the tug of war that we’re in with ourselves around: “Is it OK if I put myself out there or not?” and “Am I willing to take that risk or not?” or “I want to do this but I’m not good enough”, right? This constant impulse to create, share, risk, express ourselves and then all of the forces that come into interrupt that or dampen that. That’s like having a tug of war inside all the time. So having a lot going on in terms of what we’re bringing into the world doesn’t have to feel stressful if there’s flow there. And there can be flow when we just remove the blocks.
D: Right, right. And I know from your style of playing big that there’s a big component of play for you in playing big.
T: Well, that’s nice that you said that. I think that’s great. Because sometimes I might forget to see that in myself or my own life, but, yeah I think that I certainly try to have fun along the way and take a spirit of experimentation. There’s some new research that show that children need to feel emotionally safe to learn – that we actually have to take emotional safety into consideration in our design of our educational environments. You can’t learn math if you don’t feel emotionally safe. For myself and for other women, we’re not going to feel safe and stretch into playing bigger if it doesn’t feel like a safe space – kind of like a trampoline. You know if you fall that you’re just going to bounce and that there’s a real bouncy surface to jump around on. So I try to hold that tone, and of course sometimes I’m a stress case and sometimes I’m a fear case, and all of that. But my intention is to have the balance.
D: Do you have any suggestions for women on how to lead from a place of playfulness rather than from that place of stress or fear?
T: Yeah. So I think that humour is so important and having people in your life that you can laugh about what’s going on with and just laugh about a lot of things in life with. I think that’s so huge and for me with a couple of friends, and then my husband, where there’s just so much humour in our relationship and I think that’s really huge. And then for me, dance, especially in the past year or so, has become a really important practice. It’s kind of hard to dance without a spirit of play. And I think that’s taught me a lot about being in the moment, being present to what’s happening, listening to my body, playing with other people – like exploring on the dance floor what happens and relationship when two different dancers come together – all that. So that for me has been a great practice, too.
D: Yes, and even when you say it being in the moment, dancing with others in the space – this also could be so applicable to time at work, time with your family.
T: Yeah, to think of it as a dance. To think of a meeting as a dance, think of a conversation as a dance. Absolutely.
What can Tara teach us about our expressive soul?
Playing big includes play.The world is expansive and sacred. When you doubt yourself think of the world flowing through you. Find people who you can laugh with — they’ll keep you healthy.
Posted by Deirdre Walsh